Differences between a Hyperdispensationalist and a Bible Believer

Differences between a Hyperdispensationalist and a Bible Believer

 

I’ve been observing both extremes of the dispensational argument.  I have been watching Anderson’s goons try to deal with dispensationalists and I will deal with that later.  Today I will address the hyperdispensationalist position that is articulated by Rodney Beaulieu in his series of sermons against Doctor Ruckman.  Anderson’s goons believe that Bible Believers are hyperdispenstionalists. We are not. I will demonstrate the differences here.

 

The typical argument is that a hyperdispensationalist is anyone who is more dispensational than you.  But that is shoddy thinking and I would like to define the terms. Here we go. Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more…

 

Hypers believe:

No water baptism for today.

No confession of sins according to I John 1.

No Great commission of Matt 28.

No Body of Christ before Paul.

The New Birth is for Israel, not Individuals in the Church Age.

 

A Bible Believer rejects these heresies.  He believes that whenever there is a CONTRADICTION between Paul and anywhere else in the Bible, that we go with what Paul says.  When there is no contradiction, then we can accept that teaching and apply it.

 

Example: Old Testament Sabbaths (Ex 20:10, 31:15, etc) and Paul (Col 2:16, Rom 14:5,6).  Where they contradict, we go with Paul. But when Paul DOESN’T address something, then we take it for us.  This follows our instructions (II Tim 2:7, “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.”) from the apostle to the Gentiles (Rom 11:13).  Paul first, then everything else, including the preaching of Christ on this earth.  Here are some examples.

 

Bible Believers believe:

Water Baptism is for today.  

  • Paul never said water baptism stopped.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  So we look for a contradiction. No contradiction exists, so we baptize in water after salvation.
  • Everyone who ever did anything for God in the NT was baptized in water.  Do you want to do something for God? Then get saved and then baptized in water.
  • Paul baptized in I Cor 1:14-17.  That has to be water baptism, because spirit baptism cannot be done by a man.  I hope that is clear.

A believer should confess his sins to God.

  • This doesn’t affect a Believer’s eternal destiny.  He will always be God’s son and he will go to heaven at the Rapture or when he dies.
  • Confession helps a man with his FELLOWSHIP (the word shows up 4 times in I John 1, it IS the context of vs 9, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”).  My son will always be my son, but when he screws up, we’re gonna deal with it or our fellowship is broken.  No different with our heavenly father.
  • Paul tells us in 2 Cor 7:1, “Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.”  Well, what happens when we don’t?  If it doesn’t matter as the Hypers teach, then why would Paul tell us to cleanse ourselves?  The way to work all this out is found in I John 1.  Confess and get right with God.  By doing so, a Christian will be a clean vessel (II Tim 2:21) and will be useful for the Lord.

We believe in trying to fulfill the Great Commission of Matt 28.

  • We admit that there is a subtle doctrinal distinction where this would primarily be aimed at Israel in the Tribulation.  The texts does say, “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” and we have to go by Paul where Paul and Christ conflicted (ie. Christ went primarily to Israel, in the Church Age we take anybody.)
  • But it is a small jump to say that since Paul was commanded to preach and teach by Christ then that would be a secondary fulfillment of the Great Commission.  We believe in preaching in the pulpit, passing out tracts, street preaching, witnessing, sending missionaries, etc.  Hyperdispensationalists get so concerned with cutting that they forget about secondary application and that is their great mistake, they ruin their lives by not spending time in the Old Testament, the Gospels and the General Epistles.  
  • To throw out the Great Commission only leads to a worthless life. Hyperdispensationalists don’t witness, they talk about the “Body Mystery”.  That is not the primary issue. The primary issue is that lost men are to be commanded to be “Reconciled to God.” II Cor 5:20.  Paul is even backing up the Great Commission.  Deal with the “Body Mystery” later.  We understand that liberals in America, like Obama and AOC, often go to the OT, Sermon On The Mount, and Matt 25 to pretend that their Open Borders Policy is biblical.  Hypers are right to point out that those passages are not doctrinally applicable to today.  But they miss the point.  Lost liberal democrats will never understand this UNTIL THEY GET SAVED.  The issue will them isn’t the practical application of these passages.  The issue is that they are lost and they’ll never understand until they get saved.  This doctrine is spiritually discerned (I Cor 2:14).

 

We believe that there were people in the Body of Christ before Paul.

  • Rom 16:7 “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.  This shows that there were people in the Body of Christ before Acts 9 when Paul got saved.  Obviously, how could that be if the Body started with Paul?
  • Gal 1:22 “And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ”  These men in Judaea were in the Body of Christ before Paul ever visited Judea after he got saved.  This negates the heresy that Peter’s “gospel of the circumcision” (Gal 2:7) means different words and not the same words to someone else.  If they were different words, how do these Jews get put into the Body before Paul?
  • Acts 2:47 says that “…And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” The church existed in Acts 2 according to the Holy Spirit.
  • Christ said to Paul before he was saved in Acts 9:4 “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?”  Paul wasn’t persecuting Christ literally, Paul was persecuting BELIEVERS.  Before Paul got saved, the Bible says that these men were part of Christ.
  • Hypers counter by making two “bodies of Christ”.  This is nothing more than a sleight of hand because Paul says there are only 3 groups of people, “Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:” 1Cor 10:32.  There aren’t two churches or two bodies.   If so, Paul should have listed “Jews, Gentiles, nor either of the two churches of God…”  To say otherwise, as the Hypers do, amounts to nothing more than rejection of the plain wording of Scripture.  Hypers end up with two bodies of Christ.  One has eternal security no works for salvation and the other can lost their salvation and works are required.  Somehow Hypers believe that they are both called “in Christ” in Rom 16.  Bible Believers cannot stretch the Scriptures so much.

We believe that the “New Birth” is for individuals today, not just for the Nation of Israel in the Future.

  • John wrote after Paul and he was trying to show the transitional ministry of Christ.  John starts out on this topic in John 1:9-13, “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” The book is about Christ going the Jews, them rejecting him, and then Christ dealing with anyone who would receive him.  BTW, when hypers reject this text for doctrine, then there are issues for salvation and assurance.  Yes, you have to believe the Gospel (I Cor 15:1-4) but what devil doesn’t already believe that?  Salvation is by believing what Christ did and then RECEIVING HIM.  That is the greatest passage in the New Testament on how to be saved and know it.  Hypers lose it…
  • Christ’s ministry was primarily to the Jews (Matt 15:24) but he spent plenty of time with Gentiles. He healed the Syro-Phoenician woman’s daughter in Matt 15 and he was literally preaching in the Gentile cities of Tyre and Sidon at that time (15:21).  He dealt with the gentile centurion in Matt 8.  He spent time with Greeks in John 12.  He prophesied that Gentiles would be the focus in the future (Luke 13:28,29).
  • The context of John 3 is NOT the nation of Israel.  The teaching point isn’t “Except a nation be born again…” it is “Except A MAN be born again.” (vs 3)
  • There is no difference between the “Born again.” of John 3 and the “Regeneration” of Titus 3:5.  The words literally mean the same thing.  Also how were Onesimus (Phile 10) and the Corinthians (I Cor 4:15) “begotten” if not through the operation of the New Birth of John 3?  Weren’t they spiritually dead (Eph 2) and needed to be made alive (I Cor 15:22)?
  • There is no difference between the baptism “with the Holy Ghost” (Matt 3:11) and the baptism “by one Spirit” in I Cor 12:13.  If all that is true, then you have a baptism “into Jesus Christ” in Rom 6:3.  Then you have 3 spirit baptisms.  They are just 3 terms for the same operation.  This would hold up in a court of law.  Hypers are making distinctions where none exist.

 

I hope that this illustrates what a REAL hyperdispensationalist is, and how he is very different than a Bible Believer.  

 

If you have more issues please leave a comment.

 

7/1/19 – ADDITION AND UPDATE

This post continues to be one of my most visited and so I’ve decided to add a few points to it. Please watch Dr. Kim’s video on the subject.  Most of this additional material will come from this video and Dr. Kim’s channel is a great resource.

Two ideas will be found in the teachings of a Bible Believer that will not be found in the teachings of Hyperdispensationalists.  These ideas are TRANSITION PERIODS and EXCEPTIONS.  These ideas are used to explain passages that Hypers won’t touch with a 39 and a half foot pole.  Bible Believers deal with every passage in the Bible and use these terms and ideas to explain what’s going on in these passages.

Transition Periods

 

Exceptions

 

To be continued…

 

3 thoughts on “Differences between a Hyperdispensationalist and a Bible Believer

  1. Maybe I’m missing it but I don’t see the persons name who is behind (as in hiding) this webpage. Most Ruckman Cowards are afraid to use their real names. Real men and real Bible believers are not afraid to stand for what they believe. Cowards are little sissy’s when It comes to taking a stand. I can’t take someone like this seriously.

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