This matter has been discussed so thoroughly by men like Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, Sam Gipp, William Grady, Gail Riplinger, and Kyle Stephens that it seems the argument would be finished. Nevertheless, some items should be highlighted. The average Independent Baptist church will give a cheap profession to believe the King James, but when pressed, they will retreat to the foolish profession of a belief in the Textus Receptus (TR) for their final authority. Or as it was given to me by email, “both were preserved and (we) use both.” There are many reasons that this is a faulty position.
First, there is more than one version of the Textus Receptus. That would lead to the position that there are multiple final authorities which is a contradiction of terms. “Multiple final authorities” is the same as saying NO final authority. This elementary logic clearly demonstrates the error of saying we “use both” the KJB and the TR. Having said that, the typical Independent Baptist is either lying or uneducated because there are multiple versions of the TR. Each of these men, Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, Elzivir, Colinaeus, and Scrivener, wrote multiple versions of the TR themselves, pushing the total number of TR versions to around 20. Which version do you mean when you say, “I believe the TR.”? The version is never named. Always remember that the differences between the editions of the TR are greater than any supposed differences between the so-called editions of the King James Bible.
Second, the TR-only crowd never addressed the Old Testament (OT). By definition the TR is only the New Testament, so the question would be, “Point to the inspired OT.” Again, this issue is never addressed. When I am asked the question, I point to the English King James OT that is on the table in front of me. The average Independent Baptist cannot. I believe that the issue is an issue of ignorance. Some will point to the Hebrew OT printed with the TR by the Trinitarian Bible Society. But this will not do. As good as that text is, there are errors in it.
Let me give an example. Clearly, most people have not dealt with the Jews out of their OT because if they would have taken them to one of the greatest messianic prophecies in the OT, Psalm 22:16, they would have seen the discrepancy between the truth (KJB) and the corrupted manuscripts of the Hebrew OT. The KJB states, “they pierced my hands and my feet.” The Hebrew reads, “like a lion, my hands and feet.” What nonsense! It is an independent clause without the necessary verb. This demonstrates that as careful as the Jews have been when they took care of the OT (as compared to the treatment of the devil’s scribes with the Alexandrian NT), they were not above changing the text to remove prophecies of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. This example should suffice. But these issues are never discussed by the average Independent Baptist who just wants to leave “well enough” alone and just tell people that they believe the TR.
Third, there are differences between the KJB and the TR in the New Testament (NT) as well. These issues have been thoroughly dissected by many authors over the years so a few examples should suffice. In Acts 12:4, the TR says “Passover” but the KJB says “Easter.” Easter is correct. In Acts 19:37, the TR says “robbers of temples” but the KJV says “robbers of churches.” The KJB is correct. Add in the differences in the book of Revelation and you have a whole heap of times that the King James and the TR differ. Most “Baaaptists” have two final authorities, the King James Bible and the TR. This issue is one where a Bible Believer and an independent Baptist should just part ways.
Fourth, the issue of translation is never discussed. None would dispute the fact that there are NO speakers of Koine Greek alive today. This is the language in which the NT was written. So how do we know what the words mean? The average Christian (Independent Baptist included) will go to a source like a Strong’s or Young’s concordance of the Bible. But where did they get their definitions? These got their definitions from sources outside of Koine Greek often from the Attic Greek of the Greek Philosophers. These are the men that Paul called “too superstitious” in Acts 17, but apparently they can be a trusted source for finding out what our Bible REALLY means. And even if those definitions are correct, in a sense, how could they know how it fit in the translation grammatically? Definitions of words change depending on how they are used in a sentence. For example: I LIKE to be tall vs I felt LIKE I was tall. These differences can make translating very complex. In these situations, dictionaries can be very little help. The translators of the King James had a huge advantage over any translator today. These men were a generation or two removed from the fall of Constantinople in 1453. From this last bastion of what is called Medieval or Byzantine Greek, came scholars fluent in a language much closer to Koine Greek than Attic. These scholars fled throughout western and northern Europe and taught their considerable familiarity with the language of the Greek NT to the men who would teach the men who translated the KJB. This expertise cannot be matched today and was definitely not matched by men like Strong or Young. To go back to their definitions is to go back to the definitions of queers like Socrates and Fascists like Plato.
Hopefully, these reasons will open the reader up to, at least, considering that the King James Bible is God’s final authority for the years 1611 to today and that it is the fulfillment of the Biblical verses Psalm 12:6,7, Isaiah 34:16, Matthew 24:35, and II Timothy 3:16, etc. It is a sad fact that the average Independent Baptist church in your town believes that man can sit in judgement on the word of God and believes there are errors in it. A final example will suffice. In my town there are really 2 Independent Baptist churches of any significance. When you walk out of the auditorium of one, you will see a sign behind the secretary’s desk that says something to this effect, “Love suffers long and is kind…” This is a perversion of I Cor 13:4 and anyone familiar with the chapter (I know this EXCLUDES 97% of all Christians) knows God is talking about “charity” and not the mongrelized “love” of perverted Americans. They are supposedly “Bible Believers” and “King James Only,” but somewhere along the line, they have compromised. God help them (Rev 22:18,19).
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To the lady that pingbacked:
You are a JW. Why did you pingback? Tell me what the final authority is? Is it the New World Translation?
In case your question is to the responsible for the above link, than we want to let you and your readers know we are not at all Jehovah Witnesses. For everything the final Authority is God and not man or man’s his editions.
Concerning the New World Translation we have to confirm with other critics that it is a very good translation, no matter if it comes form a denomination one does not like.
Strange also that when you consider that lay to be a JW you wonder why she would pingback to you. Normally ping-backs we do not encounter by Jehovah Witness and when the JW quote from other sources they mostly (not to say only) quote from serious sources and respectful works of literature and research; In such a case than you should be flattered, because than the look at your writing in high esteem.
When you are referring to us, Bible Students, we are not afraid to bring our readers to the attention of other writings by other denominations. We also do not exclude trinitarian writers and do not try to make every effort that our members would not come in contact with other ideas. The opposite, we do find each searcher and each believer has to look for his own way and has to make his own opinion, coming ot one or the other faith. We also do believe it is God who pulls and that we are only an instrument in His Hands.
We want to show people that the Bible has all the necessary knowledge and all truth in it. Whatever translation you might use, The Elohim Hashem Jehovah His Word He is able to protect Himself and He Himself is able to show the light to those He wants to show it and to those who want to accept His words. We also believe that Jesus is the Way to God and that people may have a different track coming to the right small gate to enter the Kingdom of God.
We do not mind to put in front of our readers different ways of thinking, because we do believe in the Power of God and in the power of each individual his or her own spirit, their own incredible way of thinking for themselves and making up a mind for themselves. By giving our readers the opportunity to read different articles on the same subject we hope they can grow in knowledge and shall come easier to the Truth of God and see where man goes wrong.
So if that lady pingbacked to you and you asked her why, without showing her pingback it perhaps tells more to worry about you than of that lady. If she is a JW she at least has the courage to pingback ot other denominations and even to a trinitarian, what lots of trinitarians never would do.
“The final authority is God.”
-Ok, what does God say? Where do we find those words?
Are God’s words found in the original, or the NWT, or the King James? If you say that none are the final authority, then you in the same boat as an atheist. You decided what the final authority is: yourself. Just like a humanistic atheist.
Trinitarian. That can means lots of things. Kind of like how “Anti-trinitarian” can refer to both JWs and Muslims. FYI you are not at a site that follows the standard “trinitarian” line. 99% of “trinitarian” material is junk, even if they usually do a good job of explaining the “mystery of Godliness.”
You say I didn’t show her pingback. What do you mean? It is right there. How do I show a pingback without approving it, which I did?
Finally, we are not scared of reading any material. Any book or article or writing will be heavily critiqued by the King James Version. I love answering the door when the JWs come by. Maybe someday they will actually consider the valid criticisms that are brought up.
In the KJV, NIV, NASB, NAB, NAS, NazCom, CJP, NSV, NSRV, NET, Ref.B, NWT, are all written down the Words of God, like in so many other valuable Bible translations in more than 2500 languages.
Sorry we only saw our own article being pingbacked to. Not hers. When looking at your article now again it is still not there.
Maybe you don’t know the issue. The King James and the modern versions both CONTRADICT. They can’t both be the “Words of God.”
They do not contradict each other
That is a lie. Answer me this: In Acts 12:4, was Herod going to wait to kill Peter until after Passover or Easter? They are two different dates. They both can’t be right.
“And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison, and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.” (Acts 12:4 AV)
“After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.” (Acts 12:4 NIV)
Easter or the pagan festival was and is by many still taken as the holiday Jesus was celebrating. It is one translation a certain word which was in use at that time and an other using the right word, because in the original text it is written the Passover and that was Jesus and his disciples where also preparing for.
Today too Christians should not celebrate Easter but should keep to the holy day given by God and have to remember Passover.
When you use a bible translation you always should remember what word they use for a certain object or event and see what was commonly used in the time of the translation.
Easter is pagan, you’re right. But which word is right? You never really answered the question. If “Passover” is right, then “Easter” is an error. But you have the audacity to say that there are no contradictions between the NIV, etc and the King James. That is insanity.
By the way, why do you not believe the Author of the Bible Who declares who Jesus is?
Luke 3:21-22 KJV-1611 Now when all the people were baptized, and it came to passe that Iesus also being baptized, and praying, the heauen was opened: (22) And the holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a Doue vpon him, and a voice came from heauen, which said, Thou art my beloued sonne, in thee I am well pleased.
I believe every word of that verse. If you are trying to argue about the Deity of Christ, please see my new post.
Just so you know, my policy will be to not approve any long replies. Keep you questions or answers short. I am not going to get into a big blow up that involves reading and writing responses greater than a paragraph.
When you want short answers of only one paragraph you should take care not to give more paragraphs to reply too either.
You didn’t know the policy. So I condescended to your level. That should have been obvious, but thanks for being so smart…
It is good you want to answer to the JW when they come to your door, but do you dare to listen to them as well?
Typical. Yes, I listened to them tell me that Hell is not real. That Jesus Christ was not God. That my soul and body are the same. That I don’t go to heaven when I die. And that the false prophecies of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Incorporated weren’t really false prophecies. Then I checked them with the Bible and found them to be poor deluded lost sinners, who have tons of zeal, but will end up in a burning hell for eternity if they don’t repent of their self-righteousness and trust the righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. I pitied them before, now I really pity them.
Looking forward to seeing more of your posts! 🙂
Hi All im noob here. Good article! Thx! Love your stories!
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